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Perfect · #1 02-05-2006, 09:21 PM

I'll post my evidence and nQ can show his "proof".

Try not to lock this before it is done, if someone talk bad things then bann him not the topic plz, thx.

I'll post it in parts, cause it's a lot...

[The SS] :hail:
<a href=\'http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=n7077q\' target=\'_blank\'>http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=n7077q</a>

[I remade it a lill so you can see how WOC see it] >_<
<a href=\'http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=n709l0\' target=\'_blank\'>http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=n709l0</a>

EiIzE · #2 02-05-2006, 09:28 PM

mm i never once said i was top 10 in the pic it said i was post more recent ss and compare plz

Perfect · #3 02-05-2006, 09:30 PM

Robbo could you add the rec? or tell me how :S

EiIzE · #4 02-05-2006, 09:30 PM

i have no idea how :s

EnDLeSs · #5 02-05-2006, 09:34 PM

here is recording

I would liek my warning level to go down. and get some vpoints for nq accusing me and making me go through all this trouble.

Perfect · #6 02-05-2006, 09:37 PM

A convo in the room we were in... how we descussed this matter before the game. I deleted things that was not needed to be seen like us talking nothing of matter, if someone complains about this I can always put up the full version. Sadly the very first part of it was somehow lost when I copied.

(lots of dead talk before)

CrU__Izobbo__> how many times i got to play?
WOC_Perfect> 2-3
_SF_l3arefoot2_> 2/3
CrU__Izobbo__> kk
CrU__Izobbo__> and if he loser wats the out cum hell still not admit it
WOC_Perfect> then we see
WOC_Perfect> too many things depends
WOC_Perfect> to say if he loses
WOC_Perfect> that happeneds
CrU__Izobbo__> if its a close 1 then obviously u think its not fake but u can tell by lookin
WOC_Perfect> no we cant
CrU__Izobbo__> that dont matter anymore wat i looks like i jus wanna get it over wit
CrU__Izobbo__> idc bout endless
WOC_Perfect> riot has decided that the picture is not evidence
CrU__Izobbo__> this is obviously for top 10 issue
_SF_l3arefoot2_> WOC_Perfect riot has decided that the picture is not evidence
_SF_l3arefoot2_> thats one person
WOC_Perfect> yeah
WOC_Perfect> and that's the one person
WOC_Perfect> who decided we cant be top10
WOC_Perfect> until this is over
WOC_Perfect> he is the one who decided that you made a misstake
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i made a mistake?
WOC_Perfect> yeah
_SF_l3arefoot2_> when
WOC_Perfect> he clearly said
WOC_Perfect> that you didnt have the right
WOC_Perfect> to remove us
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and he kept u
_SF_l3arefoot2_> as removed
WOC_Perfect> yeah but he still said you did a misstake
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i clearly
_SF_l3arefoot2_> made no mistake
CrU__Izobbo__> isnt it like rule four
CrU__Izobbo__> he acted on thinkin it was fake
WOC_Perfect> well riot looked on what nq had when he decided it
WOC_Perfect> and he thinks it's lack of evidence
_SF_l3arefoot2_> cause hes woc
WOC_Perfect> it's in his own statement I think
WOC_Perfect> nQ
WOC_Perfect> dont start
WOC_Perfect>
_SF_l3arefoot2_> ...
WOC_Perfect> you're SF but I try not to mention that
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i never brought me being in sf
_SF_l3arefoot2_> in the convo
_SF_l3arefoot2_> riot brought up him being in woc
WOC_Perfect> did he brought he was in WOC to the convo?
_SF_l3arefoot2_> so it must be
_SF_l3arefoot2_> on his mind
WOC_Perfect> you mean his first sentance?
WOC_Perfect> well I dont think that was a bad comment

(lots of dead talk bethween)

CrU__Izobbo__> has he agreed to this?
WOC_Perfect> no
WOC_Perfect> cause we havnt talked to him yet
_SF_l3arefoot2_> if he dont
WOC_Perfect> then he faked it
_SF_l3arefoot2_> it will make him look even more guilty
WOC_Perfect> unless he got some reason
WOC_Perfect> like dinner
_SF_l3arefoot2_> but
_SF_l3arefoot2_> if the reason in bs
WOC_Perfect> but that is just making this match wait
_SF_l3arefoot2_> like he got to walk hit pet fish
_SF_l3arefoot2_> then he faked it
WOC_Perfect> lol
WOC_Perfect> ewll
_SF_l3arefoot2_> agreed?
WOC_Perfect> well*
WOC_Perfect> no
WOC_Perfect>
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i doubt his fish
WOC_Perfect> if he has to walk his dog
CrU__Izobbo__> lol
_SF_l3arefoot2_> will need to be walked
_SF_l3arefoot2_> well
WOC_Perfect> then we wait
_SF_l3arefoot2_> dog and fish
_SF_l3arefoot2_> are diffrent
WOC_Perfect> if he always has to walk his dog
WOC_Perfect> well he aint gonna lie about a fish
WOC_Perfect> he aint dumb
_SF_l3arefoot2_>
_SF_l3arefoot2_> u never know
WOC_Perfect>

(The empty lines are Smilies, they sadly dont get copied.)

[This was after the match]

WOC_Perfect enters.
WOC_Perfect> ?
_SF_l3arefoot2_> whats the diffrence on who won
_SF_l3arefoot2_> thats not the point
_SF_l3arefoot2_> thats like saying
_SF_l3arefoot2_> u can fake an ss if it can possible be true
_SF_l3arefoot2_> the point of the game
_SF_l3arefoot2_> was to see
_SF_l3arefoot2_> if it was robbo playing
_SF_l3arefoot2_> by looking at endless ss
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and compariring it
WOC_Perfect> if you checked
_SF_l3arefoot2_> to the game
WOC_Perfect> he made TC's
WOC_Perfect> exactly
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and in no way
_SF_l3arefoot2_> was it similar
WOC_Perfect> as it looked on the ss
WOC_Perfect> and endless
WOC_Perfect> made exactly
WOC_Perfect> trying to go around him
WOC_Perfect> + making castles in the back
_SF_l3arefoot2_> how can u see castles
_SF_l3arefoot2_> ni the back
_SF_l3arefoot2_> of the ss
WOC_Perfect> well
WOC_Perfect> they are either castles
WOC_Perfect> or tc's
_SF_l3arefoot2_> or bbt
WOC_Perfect> no
WOC_Perfect> you can see yellow ground
WOC_Perfect> and a small blue thing
WOC_Perfect> that means a bigger building
WOC_Perfect> which he did build
_SF_l3arefoot2_> what about robbos technique
_SF_l3arefoot2_> in the ss
_SF_l3arefoot2_> he had no defense
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and had walls
WOC_Perfect> yeah
_SF_l3arefoot2_> in the game
_SF_l3arefoot2_> big defense
WOC_Perfect> he lost one vill
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and no walls
_SF_l3arefoot2_> how do u know
WOC_Perfect> I dont
WOC_Perfect> but you dont either
WOC_Perfect> it is possible
WOC_Perfect> and would explain a lot
_SF_l3arefoot2_> so ur saying
_SF_l3arefoot2_> if he lost a vill
_SF_l3arefoot2_> he cant have the walls
_SF_l3arefoot2_> -_-
_SF_l3arefoot2_> everyone always
WOC_Perfect> then I'm saying he forgot
_SF_l3arefoot2_> deletes there walls
_SF_l3arefoot2_> to repair faster
WOC_Perfect> so anything else that you got as proof but walls?
WOC_Perfect> cause you cant really judge him on some walls
_SF_l3arefoot2_> defense?
WOC_Perfect> he lost 1 vill
WOC_Perfect> and endless was pushing
_SF_l3arefoot2_> how do u know
_SF_l3arefoot2_> ur playing the
WOC_Perfect> so he couldnt build infront
_SF_l3arefoot2_> what if game
WOC_Perfect> well we dont know ****
_SF_l3arefoot2_> but he can build behind?
WOC_Perfect> and you can only bann someone if you know
WOC_Perfect> he did build behind
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and not infront?
WOC_Perfect> because endless
_SF_l3arefoot2_> ur making ur self sound stupid
WOC_Perfect> was protecting
_SF_l3arefoot2_> why would he
_SF_l3arefoot2_> build behind
WOC_Perfect> lol
_SF_l3arefoot2_> but not the front?
WOC_Perfect> your arguments are lacking
_SF_l3arefoot2_> my arguments
_SF_l3arefoot2_> are streonger
WOC_Perfect> nope
_SF_l3arefoot2_> im positive
WOC_Perfect> you got nothing on him
WOC_Perfect> but a wall
WOC_Perfect> some towers
WOC_Perfect> and?
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i went from a 75% chance of being rite
_SF_l3arefoot2_> to a 85%
WOC_Perfect> lmao no
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i dont think
_SF_l3arefoot2_> who won
WOC_Perfect> I doubt riot shares your mind
_SF_l3arefoot2_> made a diffrence
_SF_l3arefoot2_> i doubt riot has much of a mind if it doesnt deal with vgaming or woc
_SF_l3arefoot2_> and u can tell him that
WOC_Perfect> well I think the same about you
WOC_Perfect> =)
_SF_l3arefoot2_> thats nice
WOC_Perfect> you're a mary copy
WOC_Perfect> only diff
_SF_l3arefoot2_> mary?
WOC_Perfect> is that it's atleast possible to talk to you
WOC_Perfect> well cya..

(He also zm'ed me afterwards thanking me for helping him prove endless as a faker.)

EiIzE · #7 02-05-2006, 09:39 PM

that post is kinda pointless it only proves u said 2-3

Perfect · #8 02-05-2006, 09:42 PM

yeah well I add more to it, and I want to show most of the talk so we dont "lie" or something =)

EiIzE · #9 02-05-2006, 09:43 PM

post more recent ss plz mine is blurry it shows clear difference in technique nd stuff and how i had all the territory yet feed till he get kahn

also y will u guys not play 2-3 like agreed i will not feed again i won that match for him

Kikaz · #10 02-05-2006, 09:48 PM

Endless just posted a recorded game i think this topic should be closed if its authentic

Perfect · #11 02-05-2006, 09:48 PM

This would be earlier on msn with riot, were we all decided robbo should play endless...

~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ har lagts till i konversationen.

|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
Hi
_nQ_ säger:
hi
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Hey.
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
you guys talk?
_nQ_ säger:
not yet
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Not yet..
_nQ_ säger:
just got home
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
ok
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
start!
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
lol ok 2 secs
_nQ_ säger:
how was vication?
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Yea it was great
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
thx
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Ok...
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
the main point i wanna to highlight is that never take a clan of the list without ACCURATE proof first of cheating/hacking etc
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
that screenshots was far from being accurate
_nQ_ säger:
his own clanmates
_nQ_ säger:
are against him
_nQ_ säger:
besides demo
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
I can consider that but we cant penolise him for that lol every member on vGO should be treated the same, no matter if everyone is against them
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
the screenshot, im sorry to say , and you could agree with this with me, is not really accurate to acuse him of cheating or not..
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
its a 50 50 way
_nQ_ säger:
viper said
_nQ_ säger:
he always does stuff "like that"
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
yeah that was kinda wierd
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
and I'd also like to add
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
he also said he didnt think he faked this one
_nQ_ säger:
who?
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
viper
_nQ_ säger:
quoted him
_nQ_ säger:
WOC_xViP3l2x says:
to be honest
WOC_xViP3l2x says:
i think its fake
WOC_Perfect says:
why?
WOC_xViP3l2x says:
b/c endless always does that stuff
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
yeah but
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
after that
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
he said but
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
I dont think this one is faked
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
hm k but no matter what people say, unless they have proof, we can do nothing in this matter.
_nQ_ säger:
can u proove any case?
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
As i said no
_nQ_ säger:
no, u got to make a good judgement with what u got
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
you cannot proove he didnt or did
_nQ_ säger:
and i feel i made a good one
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
the only thing that can happen now
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
is they play again
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
and we work from there
_nQ_ säger:
me and perf
_nQ_ säger:
already thought of that
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Well it has to happen..
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
nQ
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
if it isnt faked
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
if endless wins
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then you just tried to kill end
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
because that is what you're doing
_nQ_ säger:
im trying to?
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
putting your vote on exicution
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Listen, i'll end this here.
_nQ_ säger:
i made a judge on what i was given with
_nQ_ säger:
i wouldnt take it back
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
Ok... and i respect that
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
but now im telling you to not do that again in another sitaution simlar to this oen
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
one*
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
just future advice
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
we all make mistakes.
_nQ_ säger:
i feel like this isnt one
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
im not having a go, but in my opinion it is ,
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
but anyway it sorted now..
~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ säger:
i have to brb
_nQ_ säger:
even if
_nQ_ säger:
it is prooven
_nQ_ säger:
he will still denie
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
yep

~`|IziOt|$piZ|`~ har lämnat konversationen.

|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
so how do we locate robbo?
_nQ_ säger:
i dont know
_nQ_ säger:
i dont talk to him
_nQ_ säger:
rarley ever did
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:

_nQ_ säger:
he might be in a clan
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then I demand that you put us back on top19
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
10*
_nQ_ säger:
no
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:

|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
you're saying
_nQ_ säger:
we moved the topic
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
Idk where he is
_nQ_ säger:
"nQ as moderator
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
so I leave it to you
_nQ_ säger:
we moved the topic on vgaming
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
if you want to be top10 then solve it
_nQ_ säger:
to a hidden section
_nQ_ säger:
only staff can see
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
so
_nQ_ säger:
Ok from my understanding - and this also has nothing to do that im in WOC AOE3 but simply from an admins point of view on vGO.
_nQ_ säger:
The screenshot, to be quite frank actually does NOT proove anything.
To me it is a normal screenshot, as common as any other one posted on these forums, yes it might be faked but then again it might not be. You cannot proove anything here, its impossible, its just word against word and there will never be answer. The BEST that can be offered here is for the two players to 1v1 again, playing best
_nQ_ säger:
that can be offered here is for the two players to 1v1 again, playing best out of three. Once again that might not be entireley accurate but it will give us something to work on, and maybe if endless looses, then both clans can come to some agreement that that win should be removed, then add the scores up to the following conclusion of the winner.

_nQ_ säger:
Now however, taking WOC off the list untill the situation WAS reviewed properly and that endless was innocent untill proven guilty because the only evidence which isnt really evidence at all is the word against word. The screenshot ISNT evidence because it shows nothing but a win from a game. As simple as that, and no one can proove other. Yet again im not saying that it isnt possible to fake a ss
_nQ_ säger:
to make it look like a win, but you are never going to proove that this is the case. This leads me to nQ , you shudn't of really took WOC of the lists untill they played again and something was solved. The rules state that yes, a clan with cheaters should be taken off the lists with evidence provided (which is following the normal cheating/hacking rules), now to my knowledge there was no REAL
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
let me read
_nQ_ säger:
evidence except for a 50-50 screenshot which gives us nothing to whether he faked it or didnt bringing it to why you shudnt of removed them from the lists. Im not having a go,
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
dont post more
_nQ_ säger:
just some advice for the future, because we all make mistakes. Anyway WOC will stay off the lists untill the two players have played best out of 3, and we will see from there
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:

_nQ_ säger:
thats it
_nQ_ säger:
from riot
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
well now I cant read the things you wrote at the start
_nQ_ säger:
want me to put it on a file
_nQ_ säger:
will be easier
_nQ_ skickar:

Öppna(Alt+P)

***********

_nQ_ säger:
"Anyway WOC will stay off the lists "
_nQ_ säger:
at the end
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
lol
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
that is sad
_nQ_ säger:
?
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
you and riot
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
fix this match
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
fins robbo
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
find*
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
if he wont play then we get back on
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
and dont push this
_nQ_ säger:
?
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
it's your problem to determain if he cheated or not it shouldnt be mine
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
someone accused him then they (you) prove evidence
_nQ_ säger:
im just mad
_nQ_ säger:
people think i made a judgement
_nQ_ säger:
on robbos side
_nQ_ säger:
cause he was an ex-clanmate
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
yeah well I'm talking to Vogn
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
not to you
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
(but through you)
_nQ_ säger:
if u want me to post something
_nQ_ säger:
in the topic
_nQ_ säger:
for u
_nQ_ säger:
i will
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
to remove us until we are proven not guilty is sad
_nQ_ säger:
read last 3 lines
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
that robbo is missing in action is more sad cause that means this is gonna take time
_nQ_ säger:
hes prob on
_nQ_ säger:
i just dont know the name
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
**.*.***.*** - _SF_Iz0I3I30__
**.*.***.*** - IIzaIIvIIzz
**.*.***.*** - Iz0I3I30
**.*.***.*** - CX_IzoI3I3o__
**.*.***.*** - _IzoBBo00
**.*.***.*** - CrU__Izobbo__
_nQ_ säger:
k
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
in game1
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
ok now we found him
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
now we have to get Endless to get on
_nQ_ säger:
k
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
at the same time as him
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then they have to have time to play 3matches
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
with you or you and me watching
_nQ_ säger:
watchers
_nQ_ säger:
must
_nQ_ säger:
resign
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
that is a lot of people having to be on at the same time
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
one thing though
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
when you add WOC back
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then we are having the same top place as before
_nQ_ säger:
if
_nQ_ säger:
i add woc back
_nQ_ säger:
no
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
no
_nQ_ säger:
u wont
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
not if
_nQ_ säger:
u get pushed back
_nQ_ säger:
to 4th
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
because?
_nQ_ säger:
bc that was during clan war
_nQ_ säger:
and if he did cheat in clan war
_nQ_ säger:
its a auto lose for clan
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
lol
_nQ_ säger:
thats not even bs
_nQ_ säger:
thats obvious
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
yeah it's true that you aint doing this for robbo
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
:]
_nQ_ säger:
i dont like him
_nQ_ säger:
i hate 1 mappers
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
well you love sf
_nQ_ säger:
no
_nQ_ säger:
not really
_nQ_ säger:
i joined
_nQ_ säger:
because i was bugged
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
one thing though
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
if robbo wins his first match
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
let him delete a vill the second
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
that would prove a lot
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
(if he wins)
_nQ_ säger:
no
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
then there's no doubt
_nQ_ säger:
depands
_nQ_ säger:
what if endless dont even rush
_nQ_ säger:
or know how to rush
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
I think he does
|Perfect||Ðemon| säger:
but we'll see
_nQ_ säger:
once i saw the ss
_nQ_ säger:
i knew it was a fake
_nQ_ säger:
robbo
_nQ_ säger:
and all the other good players
_nQ_ säger:
delete the walls surrounding the castle
_nQ_ säger:
so u can fit in the evtra castle
_nQ_ säger:
thats where endless
_nQ_ säger:
messed up

EiIzE · #12 02-05-2006, 09:50 PM

enough of the long stupid convos post both ss the technique is soo diff and had i not feeded like a tard he wud lose so badly no post the ss plz i cant...

Perfect · #13 02-05-2006, 09:52 PM

I think it's important that you see these as two different games. I think they build similar in both if you look at mini map. Diff was that end owned more in first and that Robbo might have a lost a vill at start. (would explain a lot)

This thread is more words then actual facts, that is why I think endless should be removed from any cheat lists and WOC put back.

_nQ_ · #14 02-05-2006, 09:59 PM

but what ur forgetting the game wasnt to see if robbo can win... its to see if robbo even played.. if u lok at the ss and then the game u can see clearly its completly diffrent in the real game robbo had defense and grouped his men and deleted his walls

and thats what we were looking for during that game, and not to see who would win...

perfect was basically telling me its not bad if he posted a fake ss cause he could probably beat him... then y doesnt everyone post fake ss and say it was real?

Riot · #15 02-06-2006, 05:34 AM

Just to re open this topic and comment.

IN NO WAY am i talking from a side of WOC but as i said from an admin on vGO's point of view, i dont play AOK with WOC anymore niether with endless so dont even bring that into this situation

If endless won that game then why would there be any need to fake a screenshot?

If he knew that he could beat and did beat him, then lol surley he would not make a fake screenshot when he knows he can beat him.

The game was really actually to see if endless won because if he did fake that screenshot it was only BECAUSE he couldn't win against robbo but in this case he could win against robbo making that screenshot authentic. It wasn't to see if robbo played the same like the first SS because robbo, inlight of all this going on and having been notifyed that he was going to play endless again to proove that he was guilty, could of changed his style of play to put himself out of the picture.

If endless plays robbo once more, and wins, he will be clear of CHEATING not hacking because faking screenshots isnt classed as hacking. Also WOC will regain its rightful spot.

Thanks.

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