This is a little bit like the other topic, but I don't care. If I missed an option, then please tell me.

Dude. dont start another, lets keep to the other one.

Creation

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In the other one, whenever they didn't want to face the problem of how everything began, they always just said "Oh, let's get back on topic..." and then they would go rambling on about how stupid creation was. I want to know what everyone really thinks about this.

no evidence to suggest either one(unless you count the fact that the universe is so ****ing complicated theres not a chance in hell it happened by accident), but creation seems more logical to me.

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likewise.

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God creating everything..

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Was I seriously the only one that didn't vote creation? Geez, people are more screwed up than I thought. There's no logic to creation what so ever...

And exactly what created God? Creation is almost illogical.

goth...why does believing in God and creation make us "more screw up than you thought"

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Goth, don't you see that it's more likely that some Greater power could create himself, or that he was always there, than some random gasses simply creating themselves, or always being there. Don't you see?

And, new rule: You can't bash what other people think until you have explained why what you think is more logical.

No, I don't see that it's more logical. The only reason you even have this "greater power" idea in your head is because religion is "built in" to our soceity. You grew up being told these things, and now they just seem like it's the obvious answer.

Think about this. If you hadn't been told ANYTHING about religion, I mean nothing what so ever about life after death or a greater power creating the universe, would it still be the obvious answer?

The fact is that there's no proof behind religion, no evidence. You have to atleast give me that. Now tell me honestly that if you were just left to your own devices, or maybe if you grew up around athiests, that you would believe the same thing?

K guys, what's the point in arguing over something that probably won't be discovered in a long time, or even ever.

Plus arguing isn't going to help us discover it.

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i love your arguments, taken straight from "**** religion 101". attack the people that believe the theory instead of the theory itself lol. but if creation has no logic to it, explain whats illogical about it.

the only reason he has this "greater power" idea in his head is because nothing exists or can be imagined by a human being that has the capability to have existed for all eternity.

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Goth...you ask what created God to oppose the creationistic view, but i am pretty darn sure you couldn't tell me what created the condensed body of matter that exploded out during the big bang, likewise i ask you, sir, why does the universe itself even exist? if you cannot genuinely answer this, i will remain baffled by your "logic" that evolution is far more logical than creationism.

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They don't care their bored nerds.

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Latex, like I've said before, creationism has NOTHING to do with evolution, and neither does this thread. Evolution does have proof behind it, but it has nothing to do with what created the universe...

Now, I obviously can't tell you what created the universe. My theory is that it's just there. End of theory.

But what I'm asking you is, which seems more far fetched? I think it just being there is alot more likely than a god being born from no where that has the power to create matter. Maybe you think different, but like I said, is that because it's more logical or because it's been drilled into you by the soceity we live in?

Think about it. Ever read Plato's theories? He wanted to lie to kids when they turned 13 or so and say that the life they had experienced thus far was actually an illusion or something, and that they were actually in the earth the whole time, but now they're out. It seems weird to you, doesn't it? But wouldn't this idea of a higher being be weird to someone who's never heard it? And what if people listened to him and everyone told that to their kids? What if eventually the original people died out and no one knew it was a lie?

I'm not saying anything about religion here, just trying to show you that your perception of this is some what warped because of being exposed so much to religion.

So what you're saying is that you believe that the universe came out of nowhere and has just always been there, but that a God couldn't have come out of nowhere and exist?

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Goth, if I had been brought up around atheists like you, I'm sure I would be acting just like you are. But, fact is, I wasn't. I have been given the truth, and now it's my job to spread it. See what I'm saying? Have you even read the Bible? Have you even been to church?

Hey, finally you made a post without insulting someone. Good job!

Kind of. I'm saying it's alot more likely for a mass of energy to "just be there" than a super intelligent, all powerful being.

sldfkd, I was raised in a christian family. I went to church and sunday school for 7 years. When I was 14, about 2 months before the date my confirmation was scheduled for, I dropped out. Since then I've only ever gone back to church on holidays, usually just to make my parents happy.

I never really believed in any of that crap. From the first day I went to Sunday school when I was 6 or 7 years old, I never took it seriously.

So please don't say "I've been given the truth". Don't use the word "even" like I'm an idiot if I haven't read the bible. The fact is that all you have is a book of stories that could be true, but have no proof behind them. Did you even read what I said about Plato? Can you tell if people are lying to you if they don't even know themselves?

Also, don't say "and now it's my job to spread it". Do you even know the history behind europeans attempting to "spread" their religion to other people? Do you know how many people have suffered because of it? No, I don't think you do. There were wars. People were killed, opressed, and enslaved because someone was trying to "spread the truth" to people who already had their own religion.

And today it looks like it's stopped, doesn't it? You don't hear about people trying to force Africans to give up their own religion and believe in christianity. But it still happens. It's all around us. Don't you see those christians harassing gay people on the street? Don't you see them marching infront of abortion clinics and badgering anyone who attempts to enter or leave?

Now ask yourself...do you see the opposite? Is anyone marching outside of churches protesting? No. All the hate comes from the christians, the other people just want to be left alone.

So forgive me if I sound harsh, but that's the truth of it. So many people suffer every time you people try to spread the truth.

Im with GoTh, it was just there

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a mass of energy has no properties that would lead you to believe it could have always existed. nothing the human mind can possibly comprehend could have always existed.

any hate that comes from a christian is not taught or encouraged by the actual religion of christianity.

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Of course it's not, drunk. I never said it was. The bible doesn't teach hate, it's a guide on how to live a better life. But that doesn't stop the fact that there is hate, does it? And that hate is caused by the religion, albeit indirectly.

Kind of. I'm saying it's alot more likely for a mass of energy to "just be there" than a super intelligent, all powerful being.

sldfkd, I was raised in a christian family. I went to church and sunday school for 7 years. When I was 14, about 2 months before the date my confirmation was scheduled for, I dropped out. Since then I've only ever gone back to church on holidays, usually just to make my parents happy.

I never really believed in any of that crap. From the first day I went to Sunday school when I was 6 or 7 years old, I never took it seriously.

So please don't say "I've been given the truth". Don't use the word "even" like I'm an idiot if I haven't read the bible. The fact is that all you have is a book of stories that could be true, but have no proof behind them. Did you even read what I said about Plato? Can you tell if people are lying to you if they don't even know themselves?

Also, don't say "and now it's my job to spread it". Do you even know the history behind europeans attempting to "spread" their religion to other people? Do you know how many people have suffered because of it? No, I don't think you do. There were wars. People were killed, opressed, and enslaved because someone was trying to "spread the truth" to people who already had their own religion.

And today it looks like it's stopped, doesn't it? You don't hear about people trying to force Africans to give up their own religion and believe in christianity. But it still happens. It's all around us. Don't you see those christians harassing gay people on the street? Don't you see them marching infront of abortion clinics and badgering anyone who attempts to enter or leave?

Now ask yourself...do you see the opposite? Is anyone marching outside of churches protesting? No. All the hate comes from the christians, the other people just want to be left alone.

So forgive me if I sound harsh, but that's the truth of it. So many people suffer every time you people try to spread the truth. [/b][/quote]
lol this guy just hates religions because his parents made him go to church and now hes coming with some stupid ideas with no sence..

those theories u talk about just contradict themselves so they all make no sence.. they try to start something good but they end contradicting themselves over and over.. so plz dont talk if u dont know what ur talking about. ty

mass of energy that was there :lol: who created that mass of energy :lol: funny guy

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some people that believe the religions try to twist the actual religion to make it mean what they want, which is the fault of the people doing the twisting, not the religion itself.

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Like the sucide bombers. In their eyes they see that what they are doing is right by their religion.

Mind showing us were these theories contradict themselves?

God that has been there all along, mass of energy that has been there all along. Why is ours so stupid, when yours is basically the same thing?

Edit: And im sure GoTh actually has some reasoning behind his belief. All yours seems to be is "This book said so". If, per se, you are a Christian and have actually read your bible cover to cover. This was aimed at Conti

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so you're now saying that evolution requires a certain level of faith...if both views require faith, it is only more logical to me that there was some assistance or guidance in the formation of it all and life as we know it on earth, i.e. God. rather than life just popping out of some rocks ass billions and billions of years ago.

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CoNti, I've no idea who you are, but you're making everyone who read your post stupider. Please don't post again, k?


And I don't know how I can get my point across any clearer. The bible was created by a human who had this idea of a superior being "hand-crafting" the universe. Now, since that person has no evidence to back it up, my theory is just as credible as his, isn't it?

So lets look at the two theories.

Creationism. A superior being was born out of nothing and created the universe. He, in a sense, "hand crafted" our planet and every living thing on it. He created natural law, then built the entire universe around these rules. He master minded every aspect of the world we live in today.

My theory. A mass of energy was "just there".

Okay, now tell me which one seems more far fetched. And if the obvious answer to you is creationism, has soceity influenced you in that decision? Remember, no one knows the truth, so you can't believe anything anyone has told you about this. Tell me honestly...does my theory really seem more far fetched?

God was just there as well wasn't born and always existed.

theres nothing that you or i can possibly imagine to have always existed. even the idea of something always existing is beyond our understanding so something we can understand like a ball of energy can't have always existed.

and lol at the "perfect masterminding" of the universe. if anything that argument just shows how impossible it is for something so incredibly complicated to have formed itself purely by chance.

"The bible was created by a human who had this idea of a superior being "hand-crafting" the universe. Now, since that person has no evidence to back it up, my theory is just as credible as his, isn't it?"

since you have no evidence to back that up, that makes "his" theory just as credible as yours doesn't it? you don't even know that the bible was written by several people, so who are you to even comment about its accuracy lol

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Yeah...that was my entire point. Retard.

Anyway, I'm done wasting my time with you people. You've been told that God is there, and you'll obviously never be convinced otherwise. Only a complete idiot believes that something so far fetched is true just because people tell them.